There are Three Who Testify in Heaven

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three who testify in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and the three are one. There are three that testify on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are toward the one.

1 John 5:6–8

This one is going to take some time to reason through as it is not without controversy. The importance is that John is going to show again that Jesus is indeed Jehovah now. The controversy comes with a discrepancy in the text. In some versions of the Bible, the two verses seven and eight are far less verbose than what is in the King James Version. The text included in the KJV has a technical name. It is called the Johannine Comma. To explain that idea in detail will take much time, I will not do that. There is an excellent article on this posted from the Berean Patriot: The Johannine Comma. It’s a good read that may help all to understand.

Of course, my foundations in the faith comes by Independent Fundamental Baptist preaching. So I’ve heard much on why the King James Version is the only reliable Bible. I don’t embrace that anymore, and consider much of the argumentation proving the case rather juvenile.

Don’t get me wrong, the KJV is a great and reliable Bible. I say that having read up on the issue of textual criticism over the years. Especially since the introduction of Facebook which has greatly broadened my perspectives. As a result, I prefer the non-Alexandrian text of the Textus Receptus, also called the Majority Text and loosely, the Masoretic Texts. There are caveats that must be understood, more than I want to know. I investigate when issues arise and to learn. If you read this blog regularly, it is also clear that I use the Septuagint when it helps to clarify.

As I learn what the Bible says, the issue that guides me mostly, is the avoidance of Greek Gnosticism. Specifically, it is almost exclusively the denial of the humanity and/or divinity of Jesus Christ. The early church encountered this, as did the apostle John. It is one reason for his epistle. This denial is still around today, and embraced by many who call themselves Christians. You may even have some in your church.

It is with that primary concern that provides the purpose for this post… Jesus is Jehovah. I encourage you to take the time to actually say that out loud. It has a unique way of clearing the air and the mind. Those three words are powerful, yet immensely freeing.

I appreciate the indulgence toward me letting you know my approach to the text. With that, let’s go!

By Water and Blood

This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. It is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 John 5:6

When it comes to the apostle John, I am learning that he has a very intimate revelation of Jesus. Not only did He know Him as He walked on earth before His crucifixion and after His resurrection. He was in His divine presence in his book Revelation. One cannot understand what is said here, without the entire panorama of what John wrote. One must start from the beginning of the end in Revelation.

When I saw Him, I fell at His feet as though I were dead. Then He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, though I was dead. Look! I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Revelation 1:17–18

I think John’s reaction to seeing the Divine Jesus is important to note. It’s not like his interactions with Jesus before. John is awestruck at the presence of this Being with burnished orange feet. (That’s probably all he saw falling there. I think the rest of His body has the same skin color. Perhaps this very image is why some direct their hate toward an orange man. There is a real spiritual congruence. No, I am not likening Trump as Jesus or vice-versa. Just pointing out a very real and dark spiritual manifestation. I digress.)

The recurring themes and phrases that thread though John’s major writings are many. There’s the I am (ego eimi.) There’s the after these things (meta tauta.) There are many others to discover. The text in 1 John 5 points to the first of these.

John’s Gospel contains one of the greatest apologetics on the divinity of Jesus. He begins that by saying Jesus is God. He also says that He became flesh. He came by blood, which is the antithesis of being born again which is not by blood. There fore, in my understanding, by blood refers to human birth.

He came by water and by blood.. Though there are differing interpretations of what this means. When I read it, the water immediately points me to John 3 where Jesus is speaking of birth.

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

John 3:5

This part of the epistle is going to provide a rock solid testimony of the essential Truth. Just as John witnessed to in his Gospel account of Jesus’ own words. The first is that Jesus is indeed born human by water. Which means He gestated in the womb, too. The reference to the blood is the second witness to His humanity. Humans have blood, divine beings do not. It’s not just that He is born human, He is human. He has blood.

The Bible teaches us that a matter is established by two or three witnesses. We have two to His humanity. The third Witness is Divine. John wrote of this briefly from the eyewitness testimony of John the Baptizer.

Then John bore witness, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it remained on Him. I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘The One on whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ I have seen and have borne witness that He is the Son of God.”

John 1:32–34

The Holy Spirit descended on Him and remained. Other accounts add some detail to the event.

And a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Matthew 3:17

This event testifies to the Divine Nature of Jesus Christ. He is the Son of God. But knowing some of the Old Testament Scriptures that give a foundation and testify to the idea, Jesus is Jehovah. In Isaiah, the proof is clear: the Son given is called Mighty God and Everlasting Father. Remember, His birth testifies to His humanity, it also testifies to His divinity, He is born of a virgin.

These three witnesses testify to Jesus’ divinity and His humanity. It’s not two natures existing in One being. He is the unique perfection of both joined as One.

Saying Jesus is Jehovah is just as true as saying Jesus is Human.

This refutes the Gnostic idea that Jesus was only divine. It refutes lots of other ideas, like Arianism, Modalism, Sabellianism, and that Jesus was created by God. There are some who say Jesus is not Jehovah because He sits at the right hand of Jehovah.

All of these are heresies that deny the Truth. These three testify of Jehovah in flesh.

Our Testimony

This is the controversy with the Johannine Comma. If these are really words written by John, then there are three in heaven that testify. Which then makes it rock-solid evidence of the reality about Jehovah. One which John knows very well.

Read this paragraph and see what you encounter.

Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, but you do not know these things? Truly, truly I say to you, We speak of what We know and bear witness of what We have seen, but you do not receive Our testimony. If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven except He who descended from heaven, even the Son of Man who is in heaven.

John 3:10–13

Did you see it?

We speak of what We know. We have seen. Yet Nicodemus did not believe “Our testimony.” Who is the We to Whom Jesus is refering?

I find it ironic that Jesus was speaking to a scribe there. One who would have known the Scriptures in the Tanakh. The words that testify of Him. And it is always with Jesus encountering Israel’s leaders that He expected them to expect Him. As pointed to above from Isaiah 9, the Mighty God and Everlasting Father would be a Son given to Israel

My Father

Before He came to Nicodemus, Jesus overturned tables in the temple, claiming it as His Father’s house. He claimed God as Father, and that should not have been shocking. No reaction to that was recorded, if there was one. Yet John cites it as a fulfillment of a prophecy in the Psalms.

Jesus testified that the Father so loved the world that He gave His unique Son. The language used is a direct reference to Isaiah 9:6, “a child is born,” and “a Son is given.”

Here is testimony that parallels 1 John 5:

He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. He bears witness of what He has seen and heard, yet no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without measure to Him.

John 3:31–34

Those are the words of John the Baptist. John says Jesus comes from heaven. He testifies to what He has seen and heard. Those that do not believe will not have eternal life. Those that receive what He says, meaning those that take it or lay hold of it, demonstrate that God is real.

After the recording of this, John shows that Jesus intentionally seeks out a Samaritan woman. He reveals to her His divinity, too. He says He is the Messiah. Knowing Isaiah 9, the Son given is a reference to the Messiah. Jesus told her plainly that He is Jehovah.

In John 5, there is the lame man at the pool of Bethesda whom Jesus singled out to heal. He told the man to get up and walk, and the man did. However that day was Shabbat. The authorities took note. The man was then grilled by them because he was carrying his bed—He was working. The man testified he did not know Who healed him, and said as much when asked. Jesus later found the man. That healed man left to tell the authorities that is was Jesus Who healed him. It was then the authorities sought to kill Jesus. It was not for the reason many suspect. The penalty for working on Shabbat is death. Since the man did as he was told, the responsibility for the penalty fell on the One commanding him. (Managers take note.) When the authorities came to Jesus for an explanation, here are the things that followed:

Jesus answered them, “My Father is working still, and I am working.” So the Jews sought even more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:17–18

The authorities immediately knew what Jesus claimed. John is not done with making the Truth about Jesus plain to all. Jesus is still speaking to those authorities that seek to eradicate Him.

Three Who Testify in Heaven

Then Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do. For whatever He does, likewise the Son does. For the Father loves the Son and shows Him all things that He Himself does. And He will show Him greater works than these so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all men should honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 5:19–23

He continues…

“If I bear witness of Myself, My testimony is not true. There is another who bears witness of Me, and I know that the testimony which He bears of Me is true.

John 5:31–32

Who is the Other Who bears witness of Jesus?

It is the Father in Heaven. He testifies to the truth of Jesus in the works that Jesus does. These things prove that the Father sent Jesus. He is the Miracle Worker of old Who bore Noah through the flood and the Israelis through the sea.

Where John writes his epistle, Jesus has already been caught up to Heaven. He is there now, so it makes perfect sense to say that there are three in Heaven Who bear witness.

The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit

I personally don’t like to use the word Trinity. I don’t reject the concept. I reject the oversimplification and the baggage added to the idea. Even though that is simple. God has told us of Himself. I take hold of that testimony, all of it.

Considering Father, Word, and Spirit, there are many overt testimonies to find in the Tanakh. The first one comes from Genesis 1:1In the beginning God. The Hebrew word for God there is Elohim. Hebrew has many unique peculiarities, this is one of them. Elohim is the plural of the singular Hebrew noun El. Both translate to God. Hebrew nouns come in singular form, dual form, and plural. The dual form is Elohayim, which would signify a set of two. Which means that a Hebrew plural is really more than two. Or at least, three. Elohim is three or more which is the initial idea.

Then there is the Sh’ma Yisrael…

Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God. The Lord is one!

Deuteronomy 6:4

One, in this verse, is translated from the Hebrew word echad. Which properly means united as one, as in a unity of parts. The word Lord there is the Tetragrammaton. I usually use Jehovah. Jehovah is One!

Two witnesses, but are there more?

Yes, there are a lot of them. Besides the earlier reference to Isaiah 9, there are more. I will reference two.

Thus says the Lord the King of Israel,
and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts:
I am the first, and I am the last;
besides Me there is no God.

Isaiah 44:6

Thus says Jehovah, the King of Israel. This title that belongs to the Messiah. The Lord (Jehovah) of Hosts is also a title belonging to the Messiah. Finally, the first and the last is also how the Messiah describes Himself in Revelation. There is also a hint of this in Genesis 1:1 where the Hebrew says, “Bereshit bara Elohim et.” Literally in English it is, “In the beginning God.” But the et is not translated. It is two letters encoded in the text. They are the aleph and the tav. These are the first and the last letters of the Hebrew alphabet. It is the equivalent of alpha and omega.

Come near to Me, hear this:
I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
from the time that it was, there I am.
And now the Lord God has sent me
and His Spirit.

Isaiah 48:16

I encourage the reader to diligence—read all of Isaiah 48. For purposes here, I will tell you that the person speaking is Jehovah. (Back in Isaiah 45:18, Jehovah declares Himself as the One speaking.) When getting to this verse, it is Jehovah’s call to Israel. He identifies Himself yet again, but differently. He declares He, Adonai (Lord) God, sent Jehovah and His Spirit.

This text tells us that Jehovah is the One sent from Adonai. John is borrowing heavily from the Tanakh. The sent One is Jesus, Who is clearly Jehovah. John knew this from Jesus’ Own testimony.

The Father Himself, who has sent Me, has borne witness of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

John 5:37

The Father sends the Son to give life. One of the previous references above included John 5:21 where Jesus says, “For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.” To another group of people, Jesus will say in John 6:63, “It is the Spirit who gives life.”

By Jesus’ testimony, there are Three Who give life, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit.

One of those other important consistencies, in Isaiah 48 is that Jehovah declared things would happen before they did. It is God Who alone knows the beginning from the end.

Remember the former things of old,
for I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is no one like Me,
declaring the end from the beginning,
and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying,
“My counsel shall stand,
and I will do all My good pleasure,”

Isaiah 46:9–10

Throughout Jesus’ Own testimony in John’s Gospel, He says He tells what happens before it does. In His case to the authorities, He said if one knew the Father they would know Him.

I am He

Back to John. He knew the Father, and he recorded these words from Jesus.

“Now I tell you before it happens, that when it does happen, you may believe that I am He. Truly, truly I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me. And he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”

John 13:19–20

When Jesus says He speaks future things before they happen, He is identifying Himself. Remember, God said there is no other like Him, He knows the future. Therefore, if Jesus says He knows the future there is only one conclusion. He says that “I am He.” This is for His friends so that they may believe that.

In some of your Bibles, the He is italicized. That means it is added for clarification. The underlying Greek is ego eimi, literally I am. Jesus is telling everyone present exactly Who He is.

Furthermore, whoever receives who Jesus sends receives Him. What does that mean and Who does He send?

It is the Holy Spirit.

“But when the Counselor comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me. And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

John 15:26–27

This verse cements the idea that the Spirit is sent by Jesus. Yet He calls the Spirit Counselor. Recall Isaiah 9:6, the child born and the Son given shall be called… Counselor. Isaiah 48:16 referenced previously says that Adonai sends Jehovah and the Spirit. John 14:26 says that the Father sends the Spirit.

The Father is Jehovah, the Son is Jehovah, and the Spirit is Jehovah. The clear cut reality—Jehovah is One! There is plenty of testimony in John’s own writings that the controversial passage is probably part of the original.

Three testify in heaven, and these Three are One.

Three That Testify on Earth

There are three that testify on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are toward the one.

1 John 5:8

Just as Three in Heaven testify as One, the three on earth testify toward the One. That is, they testify that God has indeed come in Flesh. He is Emmanuel, God with us.

The testimony from John himself is very consistent. That One God exists in Three Persons is not just a tradition, but a reality from the Tanakh. The rejection of which has dire consequences.

This Witness in You

If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God which He has given concerning His Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has this witness in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made Him out to be a liar, because he does not believe the testimony that God gave about His Son.

1 John 5:9–10

The testimony of the eyewitnesses of Jesus… Like John’s… Needs to be received. It is eternal life. It is not just John’s testimony, but the greater testimony of God.

These testimonies must agree, that the Man Jesus is indeed Jehovah Himself. Which means if a person comes and says Jesus is not Jehovah, they disagree with the testimony of God. The consequences of that is to make Jehovah a liar. That will not work out well for anyone who does that.

This was a prevalent heresy at the time John wrote. The Gnostics denied the uniqueness of Jesus… Man and Jehovah. This denial of truth is still present today. It has become more subtle. Yet it is easily identified when people scoff at the Truth… Jesus in flesh is Jehovah, He is Jehovah today, sitting at the right hand of Jehovah. That Truth never changes.

Those that believe this, have the same witness in themselves. That is, they have Jehovah in them. That is the Counselor that was sent by Jesus. Receiving Him, one receives Jesus and the Father. The Truth reconciles.

And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. Whoever has the Son has life, and whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

1 John 5:11–12

That is the consistent testimony of John… That Jesus gives life, and as such… Is indeed Jehovah.

The choice is yours to believe or not.

He who believes in the Son has eternal life. He who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:36

Much is Said About ‘This Generation’

When He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation. Nor will they say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ For remember, the kingdom of God is within you.”

Luke 17:20–21 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

As Jesus discussed with the Pharisees, He was answering their question of when the kingdom of God comes. The Pharisees are expecting some great heroic Vanquisher to restore Jerusalem from Roman rule. It’s as if that is the Kingdom Jesus is speaking about. Jesus said the Kingdom comes within people. Meaning your allegiance to the Kingdom is within you and is your responsibility.

The conversation then turns to address the misunderstood idea of the Kingdom of God only being the Valiant King ruling in Jerusalem.

Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. They will say to you, ‘Look here,’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not follow after them. For as the lightning flashes and lights up the heavens from one side to the other, so will the Son of Man be in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

Luke 17:22–25 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Jesus called that time the days of the Son of Man. What Jesus is teaching here is end times when He conquers the world.

The phrases used by Jesus are emphatic that some would draw disciples’ attention away from Him. It’s hinted at that there are more than just one that would draw believers away, like false Messiahs. The language is similar to that used in another place.

Just as lightning flashes in the sky and lights up everything, these days would not be unmistaken for anything else. They would be, overtly visible. All would know what is happening.

This is connected to the Olivet Discourse where Jesus vividly describes the days of the Son of Man.

“So, if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert,’ do not go there; or, ‘Look, He is in the private chambers,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

Matthew 24:26–28 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Remember in our introduction texts, Jesus is specific and speaks of this generation as alive then. He speaks that He must suffer from them.

There are other texts that use that phrase like this one:

Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

Matthew 24:34 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Many teachers will connect this phrase to the entire data if the Son of Man in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24:3-31.) They will use it to disprove futurism. Futurism is the belief that Jesus will come again to rescue His church and set the world right, reigning on David’s throne. The phrase is used to debunk any idea of the rapture, too.

It’s clear in the text. Jesus applies this generation in His Parable of the Fig Tree to a yet future generation that sees the leaves come back. He has shifted His description from the days of the Son of Man to that of what leads up to those days.

That fig tree is used figuratively as Israel. Israel has come back in our generation. We witnessed it. We are those of this generation of the fig tree. It means the days of the Son of Man are very near future.

Rolling back to our text in Luke 17:25, Jesus wasn’t speaking in parables and was addressing what must occur in the short-term future. He would suffer.

He also clearly told those members of this generation listening to Him that day, they would long to see one of the days of the Son of Man. But they would not.

It follows that the days of the Son of Man were much farther into the future than could be perceived. Therefore, for this reason (among countless others,) Amillennialism is not true. Amillennialism is the belief that all of the apocalyptic (considered yet future) Bible passages were fulfilled by the siege of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Some even teach that Jesus already came back at that time.

In Jesus’ own words… Those teachings can’t be. The days of the Son of Man could not occur in the 70 AD siege. Jesus said members of this generation alive then would long to see one of those days, but would not.

It Was Unexpected

As they came down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of Man is risen from the dead.”

Matthew 17:9 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Jesus says this to a select small group of His disciples. It was spoken after they had all been up a mountain. It is an event known as the transfiguration. Jesus’ appearance changed, and Moses and Elijah made appearances there, too.

The disciples present wanted to make places for them all to stay. But a voice from heaven startled them and the disciples fell on their faces. As Jesus beckons them to rise, they find Moses and Elijah were gone.

When I encounter the passages where Jesus talks about His resurrection, I am always wanting to be attentive to the responses of those around Him. It goes back to an Easter sermon I had the privilege to hear years ago. The resurrection was unexpected.

Even here the reaction of the disciples as recorded is rather stunning, if not embarrassing. Well, in the sense of the essential pivotal importance Paul places on that one event. Look at how it transpires with this group.

His disciples asked Him, “Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?”

Matthew 17:10 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Jesus just said He was going to rise from the dead. The three present, Peter, James and John act like they didn’t hear. They ask about Elijah. In one of the harmonized texts, we get a little more information.

As they came down the mountain, He warned them to tell no one what they had seen, until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. They kept that statement to themselves, questioning each other what the rising from the dead meant.

Mark 9:9–10 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

They did at least hear.

Jesus follows the question with a short lesson on how John the Baptist fulfilled that role.

Jesus answered, “Elijah truly does first come and will restore all things. But I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. Likewise, the Son of Man will also suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He was speaking to them of John the Baptist.

Matthew 17:11–13 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

In the short answer, there are important things for us here. These things can be applied today.

We’ve been privy to a long line of prophets in Israel. Every single one suffered at the hands of others that had some authority whether rightfully or not (read that as usurped or stolen.) The ones in-charge did to John as they pleased, as had happened to those before him.

Jesus used this opportunity to yet again prepare them for what is to come. He was going to submit Himself to others so they do whatever they pleased to Him. If you’re thinking I am telling you that is how you should act… I’m not, the text is. It is giving us an example to follow.

Our three disciples didn’t even let on that they heard Jesus was going to die.

In the text, what follows is a brief encounter with a man and his child. The child has a demon. Jesus heals the child when the disciples could not. It becomes an opportunity for Jesus to teach on how powerful faith is.

This takes us to another mention of the resurrection.

While they were staying in Galilee, Jesus said to them, “The Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men, and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day.” And they were extremely sorrowful.

Matthew 17:22–23 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

They obviously heard about Him dying and that shortly in time. That saddened them.

But the part that says He will be raised on the third day doesn’t even provoke the slightest curiosity as recorded here. Turning to Mark’s account, there is a little more information.

For He was teaching His disciples, saying, “The Son of Man will be delivered into the hands of men, and they will kill Him. After He is killed, He will rise the third day.” But they did not understand the teaching and were afraid to ask Him.

Mark 9:31–32 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

That gives us a huge apologetic. Many of the skeptics of Christianity might offer an objection of a few goat-herders making up a new religion to replace or succeed Judaism. It is sometimes spoken of as a quest for wealth, fame, or notoriety. Many of those skeptics would also deny the resurrection, stating the idea was made-up, too.

If that were true, why would the disciples use texts that embarrassed them?

I mean, really! Jesus said, twice I am going to become alive after I die. There’s no surprise. There’s no shock. There’s no response that acknowledges the idea. No question as to how.

In fact, we know the accounts of the behavior after the resurrection show clearly it wasn’t expected. They really had no clue. And it’s astoundingly evident in the text.

To reinforce the facts presented, there was a small discussion about these events. When asked what they were discussing, it wasn’t about the resurrection at all.

He came to Capernaum. And being in the house, He asked them, “What was it that you disputed among yourselves on the way?” But they kept silent, for on the way they had disputed among themselves who was the greatest.

Mark 9:33–34 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

The End of it Shall Come with a Flood.

After the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the troops of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall come with a flood. And until the end of the war desolations are determined.

Daniel 9:26 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

I had highlighted this during the week to pursue later. What caught my attention is the phrase “The end of it shall come with a flood.” It in this case would be the city Jerusalem, or better the temple sanctuary in it.

Yet somewhere in the back of my mind, I remember hearing an account of a certain ancient civilization wanting to extract the last vestiges of gold from a sacked place, they flooded it with water. As the water washed through the ruins it then gushed over a grassy plain before eventually finding an outlet to a body of water. The treasure was lifted from the ruins by the water and caught in the grass of the plains. It was then retrieved. I think somewhere in my mind I always want to connect this idea with the temple but can find no sources for even the account. There is plenty of speculation on how the alleged melted gold was retrieved, but that is for another time.

Setting out this morning to try and understand, I have at least settled in my mind what is being said.

“The end of it shall come with a flood.”

In the passage, the word flood is translated from the Hebrew sheṭeph (שֶׁטֶף.) I think I want to read an English primary understanding into the translated word, meaning a flood with water. However, it seems as if the idea conveyed is just overwhelming devastation. A little later in Daniel, that same word is used as connected with armies to convey an overwhelming military army that is swept away.

A flood of armies shall be swept away before him and be broken, and the prince of the covenant as well.

Daniel 11:22 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

I think that helps to understand the context being offered. Still not satisfied, I checked out how the Septuagint translated the idea. The English transliteration is something like this:

Will come its end with destructive anger.

I think that better suits the idea as a judgment sent from God and overwhelming on many fronts; militarily, vast and emotional. Given some of the scant historical gleanings, the Israelis were so protective of that sanctuary. That was their identity, as the only ones who could approach and serve God.

Yet clearly in the prophecy, the Anointed One is cut off. We know Jesus was crucified. His death wasn’t for Himself (and shall have nothing.)

It is the troops of the prince who shall come who set to destroy the sanctuary. The command to do so wasn’t from Rome, a local legion set the fire. I can imagine the overwhelming confusion of the moment.

“And until the end of the war desolations are determined.”

Let’s not confuse the term desolations with what is commonly called the abomination of desolation. The former is specifically speaking of the desolations that are decreed to Jerusalem (and its people.) It is this very thing Jesus spoke of in the Olivet discourse. He was speaking of the second diaspora, the scattering of Israelis, and the desolations to come upon the city and its people.

When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then you know that its desolation has drawn near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are in the city depart, and let not those who are in the country enter it. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who nurse in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and will be led away captive to all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Luke 21:20–24 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

There would be a specific season for this diaspora and will end when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Even in recent history, we continue to see the desolations that happen to the Jewish people; expulsion from Spain, the pogroms in Russia, and the Holocaust. These readily come to mind as modern desolations. Even now we see continued desolations spoken of in our media. The zeitgeist would shame Israel for settlements, for defending herself. The same would also divide Jerusalem for the sake of peace. Even then, the end of war won’t come until Messiah arrives.

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Matthew 24:30–31 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

The flood destroyed the city and sanctuary, and with all floods, the aftermath seems hopeless. These are the desolations that are decreed until the end of the war.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
“May they prosper who love you!
Peace be within your walls
and security within your towers!”

Psalms 122:6–7 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

This is not meant to be an extensive explanation of prophecies, but of clearly understanding that phrase in the light of Scriptures.

I Am the Lord, I Will not Share my Glory with Another

I am the Lord, that is My name;
and My glory I will not give to another,
nor My praise to graven images.
See, the former things have come to pass,
and new things I declare;
before they spring forth
I tell you of them.

Isaiah 42:8–9 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Here is God telling us yet again Who He is.

In the former post, we saw how Jesus quoted the verses before these and said they have come to pass in the very presence of His audience.

My Glory I Will not Give to Another

There are teachings that abound that deny Who Jesus Christ is. Some declare Him to be just the brother of Satan — another created being. Other teachings say He is Michael. Suffice it to say, those are wrong. It is because of these very words. God doesn’t share His glory with another.

In this Messianic prophecy, the identities of the Father are established. We’ve also witnessed from previous posts that the identity of this Chosen Servant, this Messiah is Jesus. We’ve also understood that Jesus is the fulfillment of the calling of Israel. The two ideas are so intertwined that Jesus really is the True Israel.

But here, we are given a bit of information that when coupled with Jesus’ own words… He is clearly God.

When Jesus spoke these words, He lifted His eyes toward heaven and said:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may also glorify You. As You have given Him authority over all flesh, He will give eternal life to all whom You have given Him. This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me in Your own presence with the glory which I had with You before the world existed.

John 17:1–5 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

In the words of Jesus, as He prays, He tells us He shared the glory with the Father.

It is the Son Who reveals the Father. We see the glory of the Father as Jesus went to the cross, and was glorified by being raised up doing the veg thing the prophet Isaiah wrote hundreds of years in advance.

There is an assent to the prohibition of graven images. God won’t share the praise given to them. It is an encouragement to us to understand Who Jesus is in the rightway. Not running afoul of the command to not praise idols.

Former things have come to pass, and as we read this it encompasses some of the things prophesied of this Servant.

But… There is only One God Who can tell you of something before it happens. He wrote it in Isaiah as a pattern for us. We see the pattern partially fulfilled. But more is yet to come.

Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Luke 21:27 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

He is yet to come in great glory. For some, it will be a blessing. To the whole creation that awaits redemption, it will be a blessing. But for many, this will be a day of dread.

The Everlasting Kingdom

I saw in the night visions, and there was one like a Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven. He came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. There was given to Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Daniel 7:13–14 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

This Son of Man Cloud-Rider is the One given an everlasting kingdom. We know this is Jesus, as Jesus has been given all things by the Father.

He who comes from above is above all. He who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. He bears witness of what He has seen and heard, yet no one receives His testimony. He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without measure to Him. The Father loves the Son, and has placed all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has eternal life. He who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

John 3:31–36 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Jesus uses this language to identify Himself as the Cloud Rider given all things by the Ancient of Days. There is a default kingdom in which all who can understand find themselves in. There is another one… His.

The carnal kingdom whose master is death by sin leads to everlasting perdition. Perdition isn’t annihilation or soul sleep, but a real eternity away from everything God gives freely to all. Think about that… The air we breathe is His. As is cooling rain, water to quench thirst, food to date hunger, and the fellowship and camaraderie of others. Imagine being conscious without these things. It gets ugly.

The other, better kingdom is eternal and everlasting. It is a dominion given to Jesus. It doesn’t pass away. It is a kingdom of life. Those who enter into it are also everlasting by definition. The only way into this kingdom is to be born again into it.

Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’

John 3:5–7 — Modern English Version (Thinline Edition.; Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014)

Once born into that kingdom, there is no way out.

We are physically born into this carnal kingdom where death reigns over our bodies encumbering our soul and spirit. We cannot leave it. Death isn’t a way out, it is the portal to judgment and perdition.

But we can be born again into this new everlasting kingdom. Just like in that carnal kingdom, where there is no death. This everlasting kingdom also has no way out.

Of which kingdom would you be a citizen?